Open Letter: Creed, Council, or Expression of Concern?

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Osborne, Harry

It is clear that an effort is underway to characterize the Open Letter as a “creed” written by a “council” of preachers who seek to direct churches. Though it is a diversionary matter, a refutation of the charge is in order. Before proceeding to consideration of the charge, however, I would like to make a few preliminary observations.

A good brother recently wrote to me saying such had been “brought to his attention.” Several discussion lists have been sent to me where such charges have been made. An anonymous post containing unclean language made the charge to the editor of Watchman Magazine. A co-editor of one paper has made this charge. In his response to the Open Letter, which was never sent to this writer, Shane Scott makes the same charge. Brother Ferrell Jenkins has readily allowed his website to be used in spreading this charge. Yet, my young brother’s post is the first time someone has made the charge to me. The fact that Dan King and I wrote the Open Letter is well known, having been pointed out in print several times. Why do the ones charging such not address those charged? Better yet, why not seek to discuss the situation to see if agreement could be reached before making such a charge? Is this an example of the higher ethical standard to which they are calling us? Or are they exempt from the standards they seek to impose on others?

Hill Robert’s Response To Our Open Letter (King)

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by King Sr., Dan

(Editor’s Note: This article is a review of the response Hill Roberts gave to the Open Letter. You may, for context, wish to read Roberts’ article first.)

It is comforting to note that brother Hill Roberts has finally “come out of the closet” to respond to our Open Letter. Up until now his silence has been deafening, and this is especially noteworthy since his writings and teachings are the major reason for the present controversy. However, it is sad that he has come out of hiding only momentarily. He informs us that it is true that he will not debate the issues regarding his views on Genesis 1– “sort of.” He says that he will debate the issue with those “demonstrating a spirit in accord with 1 Peter 3:15,” but “brothers who introduce themselves to me with the verbal equivalent of ‘Put ‘em up’ will be disappointed.” We will let the reader decide for himself as to the spirit of the Open Letter and that of those who composed it. With respect to attitude, though, it is clear that brother Roberts has his own problems to deal with.

The Fools Who Wrote and Signed the Letter
As brother Roberts admits in his response, the two of us have never met, and I personally have no axe to grind with him nor reason to have any ill feelings toward him whatsoever. In spite of some of his very personal insults toward us, I still do not. I have known his parents for better than 30 years and love and admire them greatly. His brother Phil has been a colleague and friend for 25 years or more. He has obviously sprung from a wonderful Christian family. But that does not remove the taint which attaches to the doctrinal positions which he himself espouses. Those of us who signed the letter are sorry that he has not seen fit openly to discuss these matters. We have no desire to misrepresent or malign brother Roberts, but a man’s public writings and teachings are certainly subject to public review, and that is primarily what we had hoped that we could accomplish. We are sorry that he has seen fit to react by calling us all fools repeatedly in his response. Perhaps brother Roberts ought to pay some heed to the words of Christ on this subject, “Whosoever shall say, ‘Thou fool,’ shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matt. 5:22).

Response by Hill Roberts to the Open Letter

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Roberts, Hill

Response by Hill Roberts To The Open Letter of King, et al.

– Final Version –

(Editor’s Note: Brother Daniel H. King, Sr. reviews this article in his article entitled “A Review of Hill Roberts’ Response To Our Open Letter”. After reading this article, please read brother King’s response.)

“Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.” Proverbs 26:4
Heeding good advice, ordinarily I would not respond to such a letter. Such attacks bring me no harm. However, because I am being used as a means by which to attack and attempt to bring real harm on others, I must now respond. I offer these blunt comments in hopes of exposing and defeating this weak and ungodly attack on Florida College staff and other godly men who are busy preaching the Word.

“Answer a fool as his folly deserves, Lest he be wise in his own eyes.” Proverbs 26:5

A Public Letter to Ferrell Jenkins (Mayberry)

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Mayberry, Mark

Friday, August 4, 2000 Watchman Readers,On Wednesday, July 12, 2000, I mailed the following letter to brother Ferrell Jenkins. Thus far, I have received no answer. In his public response to the Open Letter, brother Jenkins said that the signatories of the same who have written privately to him should not expect any sort of personal reply. “Brethren, you know that we don’t have time to engage each of you in a personal correspondence,” he said. “Don’t expect it.”

Beyond his public response to the Open Letter, entitled, “The Creation Controversy and Florida College,” available for viewing at BIBLEWORLD.COM, it appears that no further dialog will be forthcoming. On a variety of levels, this response was extremely disappointing. Instead of addressing the genuine concerns of many faithful brethren regarding current compromises on the days of creation, brother Jenkins’ reaction was both combative and evasive. It raises more questions than answers.

Response to Ferrell Jenkins (Haile)

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Haile, Tim

(Editor’s Note: This article is reprinted from the Gospel Anchor web site, with permission. It is a response to the article written by Ferrell Jenkins, entitled: “Connie W. Adams, Shane Scott, Tim Haile, Miracles, Truth Magazine and the CD.” The reader is encouraged to read that article in connection with this one.)

Where Does Brother Jenkins Stand?
Brother Jenkins has had several great opportunities to clear the air and tell us exactly where he stands on this issue. Instead, he is continuously shifting the issue to something that it is not. I find the course of this controversy very interesting considering the fact that my original concerns were not over brother Jenkins’ views at all! I was concerned about those of Hill Roberts and Shane Scott. Whether he intended this or not, brother Jenkins’ actions have done nothing but shift attention away from the teachings of Roberts and Scott and focused it on other things. It appears as though Jenkins has thrown himself on the proverbial grenade in an effort to spare these men. This course of action may have succeeded in drawing fire away from Roberts and Scott, but it has also weakened brother Jenkins’ own position. It has caused him to use questionable methods and arguments. It only creates confusion.

Observations on the Article by Brother Ferrell Jenkins (Reeves)

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Reeves, Bill

Observations on the Article by Brother Ferrell Jenkins
entitled, “Connie W. Adams, Shane Scott, Tim Haile, Miracles, Truth Magazine, and the CD”

(Editor’s Note: This article is a review of Ferrell Jenkins’ article, noted in the title. You may, for context, wish to read Jenkins’ article first. In fact, brother Reeves specifically requests that you do so, and suggests that you print out the article for comparison as you read his review.)

Much of the article is directed to the ones named above, and, of course, they can (have or will) speak for themselves. I will direct my remarks to such matters as evasive attitude, and tactics, used by brother Jenkins. His article, he says, is “about some inconsistencies, even hypocritical conduct I have observed recently”. Well, “thou art the man” (2 Sam. 12:7).

  1. Complaining about what he calls “A New Criticism” in the Open Letter signed by 67 gospel preachers, he says, “If Hill Roberts taught evolution at Florida College in Feb., 1999, I said I disagreed with it in my speech (Feb., 2000). That should clear me. I had no idea that anyone would ever think I had ever entertained any idea of the truthfulness of the theory of evolution of either the animate or the inanimate universe. There is no teacher at Florida College who believes or advocates a naturalistic origin of the universe”.

Connie W. Adams, Shane Scott, Tim Haile… (Jenkins)

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Jenkins, Ferrell

Connie W. Adams, Shane Scott, Tim Haile, Miracles, Truth Magazine, and the CD

(Editor’s Note: Brother Bill H. Reeves reviews this article with his article entitled, “Observations on the Article by Ferrell Jenkins entitled, ‘Connie W. Adams, Shane Scott, Tim Haile, Miracles, Truth Magazine, and the CD’”, after reading this article, please read brother Reeve’s response. Also, brother Tim Haile, who is mentioned in the title of brother Jenkin’s article, has responded.  His article is titled, Response to Ferrell Jenkins.)

Connie W. Adams and I worked together with the Brown Street church in 1967-68. It was a busy, profitable and enjoyable work. He has visited in our home many times since we moved to Florida in December, 1968. It was with disappointment that I read his article on “The Days of Creation” in Truth Magazine (July 6, 2000). The article was mostly about Florida College and Shane Scott, a member of the Biblical Studies faculty at Florida College.

A New Criticism
Connie’s article was sent to Colly Caldwell by Mike Willis, editor of Truth Magazine, in early June. I first saw it on June 9. Both Caldwell and Scott prepared replies to the article within days and had hoped they would be run in the same issue of the paper. But they were not. After waiting until July 24, Caldwell and Scott have agreed for me to post their replies at http://bibleworld.com. I trust you will read that material.

A Rejoinder of Lamenation (Osborne)

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Osborne, Harry

(Editor’s Note: This article is a review of Ferrell Jenkins’ article, The Creation Controversy and Florida College. You may want to read the Jenkin’s article first.)

It is difficult for this writer to find the words to adequately express the wistful thoughts, heartfelt grief and sheer astonishment with which this rejoinder is undertaken. The recent statements of brethren Ferrell Jenkins and Colly Caldwell make me wonder what happened to the men I have known, loved and respected for 25 years. They were my teachers and mentors. They were men whom I sought to imitate in the proper sense (Heb. 13:7). When I read their statements and hear the arguments being made in defense of their recent actions, I am left in utter disbelief that these words are coming from the same men so loved and admired for their steady, studious, faithful and dignified lives. My love and thanksgiving for what these men have done for me remains, but my conscience will not allow me to be silent about their present teaching nor to adopt their tone in this discussion. This rejoinder is not intended to be a point-by-point analysis of responses made to the Open Letter. Rather, it hopes to deal with common principles in a variety of responses in a thematic way. Excellent point-by-point rejoinders have been done by Tim Haile, Dan King, Maurice Barnett, Bill Reeves and others. The reader would do well to read each response and rejoinder before this article. My purpose is to make an appeal to those still willing to study, discuss and fairly examine the principles at stake in this matter. May God help us all to examine our hearts to make sure that our desire is only for truth.

The Creation Controversy and Florida College (Jenkins)

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Jenkins, Ferrell

(Editor’s Note: Brother Harry Osborne reviews this article in his A Rejoinder of Lamentation. After reading this article, please read Harry’s response.)

It shall be my purpose in this article to provide an event-by-event chronology of the current controversy about the Florida College Biblical Studies faculty concerning creation and evolution. Attendance at the annual lectures has been growing steadily over the past decade. In order to alleviate crowding in Hutchinson Auditorium, where we can seat more about 600 persons, we began to have classes, taught primarily by our own faculty members, in Puckett Auditorium. This facility seats 220 but we often have more than 300 with standing room only.

In the fall of 1998 a wonderful new facility, equipped for multi-media presentations, became available at Florida College. The McCarty Multimedia Auditorium seats about 100. The Biblical Studies faculty thought it would be good to provide some additional classes in this facility for the 1999 lectures, especially those that would take advantage of the equipment there.

Editorial: Honor in Controversy

Controversy exists among God’s people today. This is no different than in times past, and as always is an unfortunate circumstance. Sometimes controversy erupts because men with evil motives seek to foment strife. Sometimes controversy arises out of the inevitable conflict between truth and error. Invariably there is the cry of “foul” when criticism is levied against any teaching. Sometimes the cry is valid, and sometimes it is the feeble attempt of the digressive to obfuscate, and deflect criticism of his campaign against truth. Brother Tom Roberts referred to this ungodly tactic in an article in Watchman that appeared in April of 1998. He wrote:

Associate Editorial: An FC Father Speaks Up

Elsewhere in this issue of Watchman, you will find a response from Bill Reeves to the Chairman of the Department of Biblical Studies at Florida College on the latest controversy surrounding that institution and the tolerance position it has taken on the teaching of false doctrine in that Department. I commend brother Reeves for his stand for truth. In an earlier letter to the President, brother Reeves had this to say, “All eight of my children graduated from FC (and now, two of my grandchildren). If I had a ninth child, as matters stand today, as I write, I would not be of a mind to send him to FC, for the simple reason that the policy and attraction of FC for the first eight would not be there for the ninth!”

What is a father to do?

My daughter is scheduled to enroll this month for her second year at Florida College. She is an honor roll student attending FC on an academic scholarship, which covers some but certainly not nearly all of her costs. I have wrestled long and hard for the past several months over whether or not I could in all good conscience send her back to Florida College knowing what I know about the current controversy and the Administration’s failure to deal with the problem at hand. My real tendency is to do as brother Reeves suggested and not send her there. Were it not for her Christian maturity and full awareness of the situation extant, there would be no question about her plans to return. She would not go.

Solid Food: Indwelling Spirit

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Holy Spirit,Subject Index by Smith, Jeff

As Romans chapter seven dealt with indwelling sin, chapter eight points to a subject of greater promise, the indwelling Spirit of God and Christ. Paul writes, “Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.” While this matter is one of great controversy with Calvinists, it need not be confusing to the new testament Christian. The Holy Spirit works in us and dwells in us in the same way that God and Christ do as we allow the divinely inspired word and example to influence our decisions and lifestyle so that we more perfectly employ and exemplify the will and wisdom of the Godhead.

In this article, we hope to establish the truth about the indwelling of the Spirit and then discuss six consequences of his abiding presence in the saint.

The Indwelling of the Holy Spirit is Beyond Dispute
That the Spirit dwells in the child of God is beyond dispute, but how he does so is another matter altogether.

Electronic Preacher: My New Toy – An LCD Projector

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Preaching,Subject Index,Technology by Cox, Stan

Electronic PreachingPreachers have for years utilized visual aids in the presentation of their lessons. Technological advances over the last 20 years have given preachers many options in the presentation of their sermons. A few short years ago, preachers were limited to slate boards and chalk, or bedsheet charts. While these were effective, they were limited and time consuming to prepare. Some preachers have and still do use slide projectors. However, this technology can be expensive and time consuming as well. You have to take pictures of your charts, develop the film, frame the slides, and color the slides with a magnifying glass and special paints. The overhead projector is much easier to utilize, but a problem arises as to how to prepare the transparencies. Some use a pen, and hand letter their charts. (I have seen some real ugly charts designed with this method). Perhaps you remember the dreaded “ThermoFax” machine. Long after the rest of the world had rejected it as outmoded technology, preachers were dealing with the hard to use and hard to protect thermal film it utilized. The computer has helped greatly with design, and inkjet printers are a wonderful tool. But, anyone who has printed up full color transparencies on their inkjet is aware of how costly the ink and transparencies are. At present, technology has presented us with a new tool (or as the members where I preach call it, a new toy!). It is the LCD Data projector, used in conjunction with the computer to project charts in a similar way to the overhead projectors with which we are so familiar. Far and away it is the most versatile and effective means of complimenting your sermon presentation with visual aids. With new technology comes growing pains. Some preachers misuse the technology, others are incompetent in their use of it, and from time to time you have members who are resistant to anything new.

Escudriñad las Escrituras: LOS CRISTIANOS NO DEBEN VIOLAR LAS LEYES DE INMIGRACIÓN

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Subject Index,español by Partain, Wayne

Introducción.

    A. Este estudio se presenta con todo amor. Que nadie diga que se haya escrito “porque no nos quieren”, porque esto no es cierto. Más bien, el propósito es sencillamente presentar un estudio cuidadoso de lo que la Biblia enseña sobre la sujeción del cristiano al gobierno. 1 Ped 4:11, “Si alguno habla, hable conforme a las palabras de Dios”.

    B. La cuestión bajo consideración, expresada en el encabezado de este estudio, es muy sencilla.

The Simple Gospel: New Swaziland Dress Code for Schools

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Modesty,Subject Index by Wallace, Steve

The problem with immodesty in our culture is shocking. Many men and women have long since become comfortable appearing in public in various states of undress. Many preachers will not preach on modesty or, if they do, they say little in terms of what should or should not be worn by God’s people. Some will even take issue with those who try to speak plainly on such things. The following news story entitled, Motion Against Miniskirts In Swazi Schools, came via the Panafrican News Agency. If there are preachers in Swaziland, their work of getting young people to dress properly was made easier recently by a new law.

Contending for the Faith: Correspondence with a Charismatic

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Charismatic,Inst. Music,Subject Index by Hafley, Larry Ray

Editor’s Note: The following is an email discussion between Larry Hafley and a man by the name of Donald M. Haas. In order to preserve the exact discussion, the exchange is published as received by brother Hafley, with no attempt made to correct spelling, grammar or punctuation errors.

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we better stop praying “thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”

there are musical instruments in heaven

Thank You Lord Jesus for filling this brothers heart with Your version of Your word.

The Lord won’t agree with my version of “nothin.”

Message text written by donald m haas

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Don,

Where did you learn that there are “musical instruments in heaven”?

Please cite the source of your information.

Thanx. Larry

White Unto Harvest: They Sent Him

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Authority,Foreign Evang.,Subject Index by Wallace, Steve

Churches are sending preachers to many places these days and some questions have arisen concerning the propriety of this in certain situations. It has been contended by some that it is not right for a church to send a preacher to a place or churches to support a preacher going to a place where a church already exists without first getting the consent of the church in that place. Often times church autonomy is advanced as a reason against sending a preacher to such a place. While this writer has no problem with the practice of seeking the consent of a church before sending it a preacher, he believes that this is not always necessary.Acts 11 reads:

    19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen traveled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only. 20 And some of them were men of Cyprus and Cyrene, which, when they were come to Antioch, spake unto the Grecians, preaching the Lord Jesus. 21 And the hand of the Lord was with them: and a great number believed, and turned unto the Lord. 22 Then tidings of these things came unto the ears of the church which was in Jerusalem: and they sent forth Barnabas, that he should go as far as Antioch. 23 Who, when he came, and had seen the grace of God, was glad, and exhorted them all, that with purpose of heart they would cleave unto the Lord. 24 For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord. 25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: 26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

We offer the following study of this text. Please notice how this passage relates to the subject at hand.

Voices from the Past: The Christian and Controversy (Clinton Hamilton)

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Debate,Defense of Truth,False Teachers,Subject Index by Deaton, Steven

Truth Magazine, October 1956 (Volume 1, Number 1)

There is an attitude in the hearts of some Christians that regards debating as beneath the dignity of the followers of Christ and as detrimental to the spread of the Kingdom. The world regards debating with suspicion. This almost universal disapproval of religious debating outside the church has had its effect on the members of the church. For this reason it is good to examine the Scriptures to learn the true attitude one should have toward such matters.

Truth is in constant conflict with error. In view of this situation, what should be our disposition and action amid such a conflict?

A Clarification
Some of those who find debating obnoxious remonstrate with us when we try to reason with them by saying that “debating” is condemned in the Bible. They then quote Romans 1:29 and 2 Corinthians 12:20 from the King James Version: “Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers…,” “For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults.” The words debate and debates in these passages are pounced on to condemn religious discussion.

Evidences of Faith: Another Concern in the “Age of Earth” Discussion

Posted on August 1st, 2000 in Controversy,Creation,Florida College,Open Letter,Subject Index,Themes by Bragwell, Jr., Edward

While I have great problems with any teaching that tries to reinterpret Genesis 1 to fit into “scientific natural observation” concerning the age of the earth, there is another issue that enters into this discussion that I find disturbing. I have read much material in this discussion on several web sites, and one argument that seems to come up time and again is the supposed effect that teaching the Bible doctrine of a young earth has on those who we may be trying to reach. We are told by some that if we insist on teaching that Genesis 1 teaches literal 24 hour days (and I think it does), that there will be people that will not listen to the gospel message.1  In other words, if I want people to believe the gospel, then I have to change the message of some of the Bible. On Hill Roberts’ web site, he has material in which he talks of Todd Green who is said to have lost his faith and left the church because brethren insisted on teaching the Bible doctrine of the young earth, something he could not reconcile with his “scientific knowledge” and observation.2  Roberts has other such stories that imply that we are doing great harm to the faith of others by insisting that the earth is young and rejecting what “science” tells us.